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plan. >> this was dishonest. >> i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. >> the governor knows his $5 trillion tax cut isn't too popular, so a few weeks before the election, he's trying to pretend it doesn't exist. >> reporter: president obama at a star-studded fundraising concert in los angeles sunday heads to san francisco today with romney's poll numbers improving. >> they're looking very good. i feel very good. >> reporter: after the debate, romney is within two points of the president. and tomorrow, both candidates head to ohio, battleground ohio, where early voting is already under way. tomorrow is the last day to register to vote there. veronica? >> thank you. mitt romney will deliver that major policy speech before noon eastern, but the obama campaign is issuing a preemptive strike with this new tv ad criticizing the republican candidate's past foreign policy faux pas. take a look. >> reckless. amateurish. that's what news media and fellow republicans called mitt romney's gaffe-filled july tour of england, israel, and poland, when our u.s. diplomats were attacked in libya,
plan. >> this was dishonest. >> i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. >> the governor knows his $5 trillion tax cut isn't too popular, so a few weeks before the election, he's trying to pretend it doesn't exist. >> reporter: president obama at a star-studded fundraising concert in los angeles sunday heads to san francisco today with romney's poll numbers improving. >> they're looking very good. i feel very good. >> reporter: after the debate, romney is...
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for the united states, you got to deal with the fiscal cliff, the imf saying that combination of tax hikes and spending cuts could lock 4% of gdp growth in 2013. a message from our friends at the imf. back to you. >> also, i want to ask you about this story. "the wall street journal" reporting this morning, goldman sachsm turning their back on president obama. is this a trend an wall street this time around? >> this is a fascinating story. this is a real about turn. apparently two-thirds of -- or possibly three quarters even of goldman sachs employees were supporting financially president obama going into that campaign where he was initially elected. this time around, it appears that 70% are putting their money behind mitt romney. i think it's the continual presentation of attacks on bankers, on the financial sector, the blame being attached to them for the global financial crisis. i think people on wall street and in the city of london for that matter are frankly just had enough of hearing this, the blame game. they're putting their money where their mouth is. and that's mitt romney
for the united states, you got to deal with the fiscal cliff, the imf saying that combination of tax hikes and spending cuts could lock 4% of gdp growth in 2013. a message from our friends at the imf. back to you. >> also, i want to ask you about this story. "the wall street journal" reporting this morning, goldman sachsm turning their back on president obama. is this a trend an wall street this time around? >> this is a fascinating story. this is a real about turn....
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what tax approach do you think could be negotiated in the lame duck? >> you know, we've had deadlock for two years and it's been on the revenue side, not on the cutting side. we always seem to agree on various cuts to make, whether on the domestic discretionary programs like education or highways or on the entitlement programs, but we never seem to agree on revenues. i think one of the major stumbling blocks which i've pointed out people have bought on to the theory as part of deficit reduction we ought to lower the top rate on the highest income people. you lose a ton of revenue there and you can't make it up unless you squeeze the middle class. so if you're going to start out by saying the first thing we do is lower the rate from say 35 to 28 as simpson-bowles does or 25 as ryan does it's virtually impossible do deficit reduction without hurting the middle class. my suggestion intended to break this deadlock, this gridlock we've had on getting a budget deal for the last year and a half, let's get off this thing that the first thing we do is say we're
what tax approach do you think could be negotiated in the lame duck? >> you know, we've had deadlock for two years and it's been on the revenue side, not on the cutting side. we always seem to agree on various cuts to make, whether on the domestic discretionary programs like education or highways or on the entitlement programs, but we never seem to agree on revenues. i think one of the major stumbling blocks which i've pointed out people have bought on to the theory as part of deficit...
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i don't have a tax cut that's 4.8 trillion or $5 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher program. i love teachers. we need more of them. don't believe me. speaker gingrich was pretty elegant in the primaries saying, look, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. >> and here's ""the new yorker's" take on the debate. it shows mitt romney debating an empty chair. >>> president obama continues be on his fundraising swing through california looking to capitalize on friday's good economic news. september unemployment rate released on friday dipped to 7.8%, the lowest of his presidency. and new fundraising numbers show the obama campaign is coming off its best month of the year raising $181 million in september. at a fundraising concert last night in los angeles the president added to his campaign coiffers. after thanking the stars for the performance, the president commented on his own performance. >> everybody here is incredible professionals, such great friends. they performed flawlessly, night after night. i can't always say th
i don't have a tax cut that's 4.8 trillion or $5 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher program. i love teachers. we need more of them. don't believe me. speaker gingrich was pretty elegant in the primaries saying, look, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. >> and here's ""the new yorker's" take on the debate. it shows mitt romney debating an empty chair. >>> president obama continues be on his...
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that's not a tax raise. that's called fairness where i come from. >> vice president biden, congressman paul ryan are prepping if for their own debate next thursday at center college in danville, kentucky. >>> the united nations security council is condemning the shelling by syrian forces in a turkey down that killed women and children. turkey's military responded with artillery fire, raising the prospect of a wider conflict between the two nations. syria remains locked in a brutal civil war that's killed an estimated 30,000 people since march of last year. for more on this potentially explosive situation along the border, we turn to nbc's amon. he's live on the phone from turkey. reset this story for us, if you would, this morning. what happened initially, and where are we now? >> reporter: well, it began on wednesday afternoon when the syrian military essentially fired on this town that was on the syrian side of the border, but according to some, they overshot. one of the mortars landed in the turkish town
that's not a tax raise. that's called fairness where i come from. >> vice president biden, congressman paul ryan are prepping if for their own debate next thursday at center college in danville, kentucky. >>> the united nations security council is condemning the shelling by syrian forces in a turkey down that killed women and children. turkey's military responded with artillery fire, raising the prospect of a wider conflict between the two nations. syria remains locked in a...
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the cut in tax rates. >> lowers all americans tax rates. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> it's not revenue neutral unless it takes away -- >> lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base -- >> you haven't given me the math? >> it would take me too long to go through all the math. >>> in massachusetts tonight, senator scott brown and his democratic challenge elizabeth warren face off in the second of four debates for that u.s. senate seat up there. david gregory will moderate it comes as new boston globe poll shows warren inching slightly ahead, 43% to 38%. still 18% of voters remain undecided there. the same poll conducted in may gave senator brown a two-point lead. >>> still ahead on "way too early," wow were the new york jets bad yesterday. shutout, blownout, injured on their home field. rex ryan's press game post conference the only highlight of the day. >>> and an incredible comeback by team europe at ryder cup. the united states entered sunday with a big lead and it's big guns on the course. we'll show you what happened in sports. all that
the cut in tax rates. >> lowers all americans tax rates. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> it's not revenue neutral unless it takes away -- >> lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base -- >> you haven't given me the math? >> it would take me too long to go through all the math. >>> in massachusetts tonight, senator scott brown and his democratic challenge elizabeth warren face off in the second of four debates for that...
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then he can't deliver tax cuts. >> you can come up with a tax reform plan. increased revenue that takes down the rates, makes it fairer everybody. it's difficult, but you can do it. >> you can't take the rates down 20% though on top of the bush tax cuts. >> romney said, i have reform principles. they are going to help grow the economy and create jobs but the idea he can raise taxes is fanciful. he'll never do it. >> if you are going to cut taxes for the wealthy as much as mitt romney wants to there is no way or he would have put forth the pro growth plan. he's ring on magic like harry potter will be his treasury secretary. >> he's not going to be able to cut taxes for rich people. he doesn't want to. the idea of pro growth taxes -- >> didn't he say 20% across the board? >> he did, but he also said if you take up the deductions, rich people won't get a big tax break. that's the truth. if you go through the principles and think about it, how do you design a pro growth tax policy? you have to take down the race and get rid of deductions. the numbers can add up.
then he can't deliver tax cuts. >> you can come up with a tax reform plan. increased revenue that takes down the rates, makes it fairer everybody. it's difficult, but you can do it. >> you can't take the rates down 20% though on top of the bush tax cuts. >> romney said, i have reform principles. they are going to help grow the economy and create jobs but the idea he can raise taxes is fanciful. he'll never do it. >> if you are going to cut taxes for the wealthy as much...
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. >> i'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. what i've said is i won't put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> governor romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut. for 18 months, he's been running on this tax plan. now, five weeks before the election, he's saying his big, bold idea is never mind. >> all right. what what's the deal here? >> this is a complicated one. we have from the romney campaign a plan that has been analyzed by an independent group that said it would lead to around $450 billion a year in revenue that's cut from the -- revenue that's not there as a result of these taxes. the obama campaign has then taken this and extrapolated it over ten years, and they have arrived at $5 trillion. well, ten years times $450 billion doesn't get us to $5 trillion. so that's not quite right. but what is true is that the romney campaign, governor romney himself, has not explained what they're going to do to make sure that this is revenue neutral, as he said. he says, and the campaign says, that the
. >> i'm not looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. what i've said is i won't put in place a tax cut that adds to the deficit. >> governor romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut. for 18 months, he's been running on this tax plan. now, five weeks before the election, he's saying his big, bold idea is never mind. >> all right. what what's the deal here? >> this is a complicated one. we have from the romney campaign a plan that has been analyzed by an...
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any kind, an income tax increase. if you're going to have any kind of a long-term deal, a long-term dif set deal, which is what everybody -- not everybody, but a lot of people on both sides who say this is what they want. if you're going to, it will include a tax component on the wealthy. >> if obama campaigns on that and wins and if democrats hold the senate and make gains in the house, that could ratchet up pressure on republicans to make some kind of deal. otherwise, you have the other thing. it's a myth that nothing is going to happen in the lame duck, because if they take democrat off and congress doesn't show up, a lot will happen. december 31st, the expiration of the bush tax cuts. they go away if nothing happens. something ahas to happen. >> i find it extremely rich to hear john boehner talking about we can't do anything because for almost four years the gop strategy of obstruction has been to keep anything from happening. anything that obama wants, anything he's interested in, we must stop that and keep it fr
any kind, an income tax increase. if you're going to have any kind of a long-term deal, a long-term dif set deal, which is what everybody -- not everybody, but a lot of people on both sides who say this is what they want. if you're going to, it will include a tax component on the wealthy. >> if obama campaigns on that and wins and if democrats hold the senate and make gains in the house, that could ratchet up pressure on republicans to make some kind of deal. otherwise, you have the other...
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and he opposes any new taxes. so on health care, he's kind of pulling up the ladder after him and his state. he's saying that he opposes universal health care at the federal level but he will not give states money they need to get it done at the state level. so under his plan there's no way to get universal health care done at all. but he doesn't really want you to know that. joining me now is jonathan gruber one of the folks who helped mitt romney design his health care law in massachusetts. it's great to see you. >> good to be here, ezra. >> you know these numbers for this plan, anything you want to fact check, correct or complicate here. >> no, you described it very well. i think what candidate romney is not owning up to is the fact that the federal government made our plan possible. they gave us the seed money, if you will, more than seed, more than half the money we needed to make it possible and the rest came from a tax that was already imposed on the state that mitt romney essentially rededicated to his eff
and he opposes any new taxes. so on health care, he's kind of pulling up the ladder after him and his state. he's saying that he opposes universal health care at the federal level but he will not give states money they need to get it done at the state level. so under his plan there's no way to get universal health care done at all. but he doesn't really want you to know that. joining me now is jonathan gruber one of the folks who helped mitt romney design his health care law in massachusetts....
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cuts, going beyond the extension of the bush tax cuts. he talks about raising defense spending. he rejects a 10 to one ratio of spending cuts to tax increases. simpson-bowles. you mentioned them. they say the math doesn't add up in the romney plan and he won't tell us how he thinks it does. >> well, listen. the country is hungry for bipartisan compromise, david. i agree with you,t( especially after the last four year was intense partisanship from this white house. and mitt romney is the only candidate in this race who has a record of showing he knows as an executive how to forge bipartisan compromise. as the governor of massachusetts, over 85% of his legislature democrats, he made things happen. and he will make things happen as president of the united states. and will forge the right type of compromise to get this done. and that's the way it's going to work. >> do you think that this governor romney should be in a situation where he's actually prepared to deal with revenue, to raise revenue, go against his party if it's part of a package
cuts, going beyond the extension of the bush tax cuts. he talks about raising defense spending. he rejects a 10 to one ratio of spending cuts to tax increases. simpson-bowles. you mentioned them. they say the math doesn't add up in the romney plan and he won't tell us how he thinks it does. >> well, listen. the country is hungry for bipartisan compromise, david. i agree with you,t( especially after the last four year was intense partisanship from this white house. and mitt romney is the...
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the cut in tax rates? >> the cut in tax rates is lower all americans tax rate business 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> unless you take away the deductions. >> we're going to get to that in a second. the first half lowering the tax rates does that cost $5 trillion? >> no. look, i won't get into baseline argument with you because that's what a lot of this is about. lowering tax rates broadening the tax base works and you can -- >> but i have to -- you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> that was paul ryan on fox news yesterday making the case against math or for time or some combination thereof. these are the moments where i think the romney team has trouble, once you can actually drill down and say, but how does it work? show me the numbers. there is no answer. >> right. paul ryan thinks he can use this kind of policy wonk construction that he's been able to create to evade policy discussions. h
the cut in tax rates? >> the cut in tax rates is lower all americans tax rate business 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> unless you take away the deductions. >> we're going to get to that in a second. the first half lowering the tax rates does that cost $5 trillion? >> no. look, i won't get into baseline argument with you because that's what a lot of this is about. lowering tax rates broadening the tax base works and you can --...
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they're being burieded by regulatio regulations, taxes, by borrowing. they're being buried by the obama administration's economic failures. >> major, does joe biden's statement, this video, do either play into the debate tonight? >> i don't think the video is going to play into the debate. you look at what pollsters find from surveying voters, they want to nope, especially tonight, what is your characterization of president obama, what's you've done for four years, mitt romney and what are you going to do going forward. i do not expect this to be about a video from 2007. i think if romney were to do that, it would be a strategic mistake. as for paul ryan, this has been part of a romney campaign tendency. everything from the convention, acutely so, maybe a bit before that. to take whatever sound bite of the day is and to build a narrative around that. that doesn't reenforce the larger one for the romney campaign. look, the american public is well aware of the economic situation our nation is in. it's a recovery, but the slowest and least satisfied since
they're being burieded by regulatio regulations, taxes, by borrowing. they're being buried by the obama administration's economic failures. >> major, does joe biden's statement, this video, do either play into the debate tonight? >> i don't think the video is going to play into the debate. you look at what pollsters find from surveying voters, they want to nope, especially tonight, what is your characterization of president obama, what's you've done for four years, mitt romney and...
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first is the tax reform. fundamental tax reform across the board which is going to help americans put more money in their pockets for those middle class americans that do a lot of the spending in this country and i think they need it the most. >> will governor romney explain? >> on issues like health care, those are also issues that the governor will address comprehensively and talk about the specifics of how it would help households keep more money and going to help grow the entire economy. >> kevin, excuse me, sorry, didn't mean to interrupt you. >> no worries, sorry. >> will governor romney tomorrow night in denver explain exactly which deductions he would get rid of to make up for the tax cuts that he's offered? >> well, i think it's very hard in a debate to go through a negotiation, particularly when you look at broadening the tax base you're going to have to do it with congress. it's hard to get into those details. he will talk about the fundamental principles that he has with regards to tax form, helpi
first is the tax reform. fundamental tax reform across the board which is going to help americans put more money in their pockets for those middle class americans that do a lot of the spending in this country and i think they need it the most. >> will governor romney explain? >> on issues like health care, those are also issues that the governor will address comprehensively and talk about the specifics of how it would help households keep more money and going to help grow the entire...
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there's a 20% rate reduction from the bush tax cuts, we're going to end the estate tax. we're going to cut the corporate tax rate from 35% to 25%. you cannot sit here, mr. speaker or anybody can sit here and say that doesn't require a reduction in the amount of revenue by $4.8 trillion. >> i'll say it i'll say it. >> moderates, levels, everybody says here's the problem, you guys won't give them any credit for closing loopholes. he won't name the loopholes, you're attacking him for not giving you the target and you tack him when you get the target. >> and it's like admitting that the substance doesn't match up. >> if there's substance, why do, you keep bringing up substance. let me hear some obama substance. your substance is always to attack romney. >> if he had a couple of sharp ideas and looked like he liked the job, he would have had a much better debate. >> mitt romney said my health care plan will do the same thing. >> it doesn't seem to me that it's as binary as this, mr. speaker. think there's an issue of whether something has to give. can you talk about fact chec
there's a 20% rate reduction from the bush tax cuts, we're going to end the estate tax. we're going to cut the corporate tax rate from 35% to 25%. you cannot sit here, mr. speaker or anybody can sit here and say that doesn't require a reduction in the amount of revenue by $4.8 trillion. >> i'll say it i'll say it. >> moderates, levels, everybody says here's the problem, you guys won't give them any credit for closing loopholes. he won't name the loopholes, you're attacking him for...
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i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher plan. i love teachers. and i think we need more of them. look, don't believe me. speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent running during the primaries and saying, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. and if somebody says absolutely anything to get elected you have to wonder what they'll say when they are president of the united states. >> so, speaker, you did say he was fundamentally dishonest after debating him in the primaries. this is not a new attack against romney policy. >> no. and i think that the challenge for the obama people is pretty simple. the president of the united states had 90 minutes. now, if he had done his homework and actually prepared, if he had actually studied romney, why didn't he say it? why didn't he take romney head on? first of all, the charges on the tax cuts are plain wrong, and i think virtually every analyst has said and even your deputy campaign manager said the charges made are wrong. but forgetting tha
i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher plan. i love teachers. and i think we need more of them. look, don't believe me. speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent running during the primaries and saying, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. and if somebody says absolutely anything to get elected you have to wonder what they'll say when they are president of the united states. >> so, speaker, you...
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>> how they can justify, how they can justify raising taxes on the middle class that's been buried the last four years. >> vice president biden just today said that the middle class over the last four years has been, quote, buried. we agree. that means we need to stop digging by electing mitt romney the next president of the united states! >> today, heavy hitters are fighting back. senator marco rubio just now in denver. >> the last four years the american middle class has been buried. those aren't my words. those happened to be the words of the distinguished vice president of the united states, mr. joe biden. no, don't boo. he's the best thing we got going, guys. >> and how's this for trail mix? mitt romney got more than he bargained for when he posed at chipotle after ordering a burrito bowl in a photo op that's an internet sensation. good day, andrea mitchell live in denver at the site of tonight's presidential debate, the first time in five years that barack obama and mitt romney are going to be face-to-face in what the local newspaper is headlining as the duel in denver. joining m
>> how they can justify, how they can justify raising taxes on the middle class that's been buried the last four years. >> vice president biden just today said that the middle class over the last four years has been, quote, buried. we agree. that means we need to stop digging by electing mitt romney the next president of the united states! >> today, heavy hitters are fighting back. senator marco rubio just now in denver. >> the last four years the american middle class...
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we cannot afford another round of tax cuts for the wealthy. we can't afford to gut our investments in education or clean energy or research and technology. we can't afford to roll back regulations on wall street banks or oil companies or insurance companies. that is not a jobs plan. it's not a plan to grow our economy. it's sure not a plan to strengthen our middle class. we have been there, we have tried that. we're not going back, we are moving forward. we have got a different view about how we create jobs and prosperity in this country. this country doesn't just succeed when just a few are doing well at the top. it succeeds when the middle class gets bigger. our economy doesn't grow from the top down, it grows from the middle out. we don't believe that anybody is entitled to success in this country, but we do believe in opportunity. we believe in a country where hard work pays off and responsibility is rewarded and everybody is getting a fair shot and everybody is doing their fair share and everybody is playing by the same rules. that's the
we cannot afford another round of tax cuts for the wealthy. we can't afford to gut our investments in education or clean energy or research and technology. we can't afford to roll back regulations on wall street banks or oil companies or insurance companies. that is not a jobs plan. it's not a plan to grow our economy. it's sure not a plan to strengthen our middle class. we have been there, we have tried that. we're not going back, we are moving forward. we have got a different view about how...
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. >>> who is that masked moderate man on the debate stage, the guy who plans no $5 trillion tax cuts? who won't cut education, insists his health care plan covers people with pre-existing conditions. it's the same guy who now says his 47% comments were wrong. did mitt romney take his mask off or has the emperor got no clothes. >>> also, we're beginning to learn more about the flawed strategy that caused president obama to lay a debate egg wednesday night. it best not happen again. >>> and unemployment rate dropped sharply last month. add rick santorum and newt gingrich to the list of republicans who would like to see big bird on the unemployment line. >>> and finally, what the jobless number means and why some people don't like looking at it. this is "hardball," the place for politics. >> after about losing 800,000 jobs a month when i took office, our businesses have now added 5.2 million new jobs over the past 2 1/2 years. this morning we found out that the unemployment rate has fallen to its lowest level since i took office. more americans entered the work force. more people are get
. >>> who is that masked moderate man on the debate stage, the guy who plans no $5 trillion tax cuts? who won't cut education, insists his health care plan covers people with pre-existing conditions. it's the same guy who now says his 47% comments were wrong. did mitt romney take his mask off or has the emperor got no clothes. >>> also, we're beginning to learn more about the flawed strategy that caused president obama to lay a debate egg wednesday night. it best not happen...
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but he has said before that he wants to cut taxes for all americans the basis of his tax plan is that he wants to cut taxes for everyone. that, to me, was the most stunning one liner of the night, actually. >> yeah, i think so. but i also think, dana, it also stunning that you would stand up there and act like americans can't do math. i mean, you can't have a plan and then when the plan equals $5 trillion, you can't say, that's not what i'm saying. i mean, it is absolutely insulting to the american people. if you believe in a plan, if you believe if your plan is workable and doable and better than the president's, say, that argue it, and let the voters vote. but don't turn around and act like we're crazy because we heard what you've been saying for the last 18 months. >> right. obama is now in a position to nail jello to the wall. you said that romney was lying on wednesday night. now, that's possible or it's possible he's now telling the truth and the others were lies. you can't have a tax cut of that size and not add to the deficit because there are not enough loopholes to close to
but he has said before that he wants to cut taxes for all americans the basis of his tax plan is that he wants to cut taxes for everyone. that, to me, was the most stunning one liner of the night, actually. >> yeah, i think so. but i also think, dana, it also stunning that you would stand up there and act like americans can't do math. i mean, you can't have a plan and then when the plan equals $5 trillion, you can't say, that's not what i'm saying. i mean, it is absolutely insulting to...
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the cut in tax rates. >> the cut in tax rates is lower all american tax rates by 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> it's not revenue neutral unless you take away the deductions. we're going to get to that. >> lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works. and you can -- >> but you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> what's your response to that answer, steve, just the whole series of back and forth there? >> i think that really that's the wrong argument to have if you're paul ryan. >> what do you mean that's the wrong argument? he's the numbers guy. he's the fiscal responsible face of the republican party, what other -- is he supposed to be on the front line for foreign policy? this was supposed to be his game. why is that the wrong argument? >> i didn't say it was the wrong issue. i said the wrong argument. those are two different things. >> okay. >> to me he's accepting the premise of the questions that taxing and spending and how big the government is and the role of
the cut in tax rates. >> the cut in tax rates is lower all american tax rates by 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue neutral. >> it's not revenue neutral unless you take away the deductions. we're going to get to that. >> lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works. and you can -- >> but you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> what's your...
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we'll get to the deductions but the cut in tax rates. >> the cut in tax rates is lower all americans tax rates by 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue lowering. you can -- >> i have to -- you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> yesterday mitt romney finally gave in, sort of. he didn't detail the deductions he intends to eliminate, but at least offered a few suggestions. >> you could say everybody is going to get up to a $17,000 deduction and use your charitable deduction or your home mortgage deduction or others, health care deduction and fill that bucket, the $17,000 bucket that way and higher income people might have a lower number or do it by the same method that bowles-simpson did it, limiting certain deductions, that's the sort of thing you do with congress. >> so there you go. that's the sort of thing he's talking about. romney's campaign emphasized after the interview those ideas are actually not part of his plan writing -- mark halperin, as you know, i'm an easily confused person
we'll get to the deductions but the cut in tax rates. >> the cut in tax rates is lower all americans tax rates by 20%. >> how much does that cost? >> it's revenue lowering. you can -- >> i have to -- you haven't given me the math. >> well, i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. >> yesterday mitt romney finally gave in, sort of. he didn't detail the deductions he intends to eliminate, but at least offered a few...
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massive tax increase. romney cannot defend this plan on its merits, so he simply says i'll negotiate this with congress. it doesn't matter what he negotiates, there's not enough money there. it's a simple matter of arithmetic. but he's being a smooth liar about this. >> is the mathematics policy? can you offset $5 trillion with big deductions by getting rid of them when he said tonight to accomplicer, i'm going to leave the mortgage preference, the charitable preference, what is left? >> first off, you're kind of misquoting what he said. number one, he said it's not a $5 trillion dr. >> 4.8. >> but it is. i don't care what he says, he's lying. it is $5 trillion. >> bob, let me make mire point. >> don't repeat his lie without any evidence. >> i'm not repeating it. the fact you call it a lie, you take that up with him. >> no, he's the one who's lying. >> let me make the point. how does it not -- >> the fact of the matter is he's identified that what he's going to do is limply fill the tax code in a number of
massive tax increase. romney cannot defend this plan on its merits, so he simply says i'll negotiate this with congress. it doesn't matter what he negotiates, there's not enough money there. it's a simple matter of arithmetic. but he's being a smooth liar about this. >> is the mathematics policy? can you offset $5 trillion with big deductions by getting rid of them when he said tonight to accomplicer, i'm going to leave the mortgage preference, the charitable preference, what is left?...
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lowering the tax rates by broadening the tax rates -- >> let me --. i -- >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the time. it would take me too long go through all of the math. >> that's a quote you're going to hear a lot, i guess from the obama campaign and the president himself. meanwhile the president who's known for being a bit long-winded and can have an hour-long news conference with only eight questions is working to sharpen his responses. quote, we eh had a hard time getting every point across within the time limit. you're trying to make a case to the people, so you have to make sure your answers connect with people. he got some advice from howard dean. >> the president's got to avoid being irritable. hi's got to roll with the punches. mitt is going to be out there, aggressive. he feet to show a sense of humor and show he's likeable. that's all nonverbal cues. >> folks, these debates, though, they don't have time limits, they allow for a lot of back and forth. it will be interesting to see which candidate enjoys that idea that you do
lowering the tax rates by broadening the tax rates -- >> let me --. i -- >> you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the time. it would take me too long go through all of the math. >> that's a quote you're going to hear a lot, i guess from the obama campaign and the president himself. meanwhile the president who's known for being a bit long-winded and can have an hour-long news conference with only eight questions is working to sharpen his responses. quote, we eh...
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do we want to live in a country where a minority of people are the tax providers? do you want everybody to be a stake holder? do you want everybody to have skin in the game? these are arguments worthy of a presidential campaign. what paul ryan is talking about, i think it will be blended together in the context of romney's comments, but i don't think it's necessarily fair to do it. >> i think you're right about the political blending of it and about the necessity of that discussion and that could be a sober and serious discussion. the part that makes it political is when you get this moral for anybody on the recving side of a net transfer from the government. that's you're not taking responsibility for your life. you don't believe in the american dream stuff. >> it's the 47% comments. you're really talking about the entire enlisted core of the united states military, for example. i believe that veterans, for example, have earned the benefits that they are being given. so he described a big portion of the company that are republican voters. that's why it was so poli
do we want to live in a country where a minority of people are the tax providers? do you want everybody to be a stake holder? do you want everybody to have skin in the game? these are arguments worthy of a presidential campaign. what paul ryan is talking about, i think it will be blended together in the context of romney's comments, but i don't think it's necessarily fair to do it. >> i think you're right about the political blending of it and about the necessity of that discussion and...
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about lowering taxes isn't as attractive to them. therefore i'm not likely to draw them into my campaign. >> joining me now is karen finney former communications director for the dnc and msnbc analyst. great to have you with us. >> good to see you, ed. >> was it a brilliant strategy on the part of the obama team for the president not to use the 47% remark to give an opening to mitt romney because a huge platform of 60 some plus million people. what about that? >> you know, that may very well be. i mean, the thing that, although that is so insulting is, think about it. just the clip you just played, the night that came out, the next day where did he go? fox news. with neil cavuto. he really stood by those comments. he said, well, i could have said them a little better but i really stand by the message. for the last two weeks he has been saying i stand by this message that those people, you know, that language, even in his ads he talks about those people, that they wouldn't be attracted to his message of lower taxes? i mean, who is he
about lowering taxes isn't as attractive to them. therefore i'm not likely to draw them into my campaign. >> joining me now is karen finney former communications director for the dnc and msnbc analyst. great to have you with us. >> good to see you, ed. >> was it a brilliant strategy on the part of the obama team for the president not to use the 47% remark to give an opening to mitt romney because a huge platform of 60 some plus million people. what about that? >> you...
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i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion or $5 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher plan. i love teachers, i think we need more of them. i mean, look, don't believe me, speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent in running during the primaries in saying, look, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. >> well, one thing i have been saying about the campaign is the president needs surrogates out there, he needs confederates, people out there. i love charleston. a lot of people -- rather charlotte because in charlotte you heard an entire political party speaking led by people like deval patrick, the governor of massachusetts, after you saw mr. mayor. i think it sounds better when it's a serenade than when it's a solo. what do you think about that? because the other guy has these terrible attack dogs out there, people like trump pitching the birtherism nonsense, sununu talking about being lazy. you got priebus and his nonsense about him being from europe and foreign and newt saying terrible things not to mention jack welch trying
i don't have a tax cut that's $4.8 trillion or $5 trillion. i'm not going to cut taxes on the rich. i don't have a medicare voucher plan. i love teachers, i think we need more of them. i mean, look, don't believe me, speaker gingrich was pretty eloquent in running during the primaries in saying, look, mitt romney will say absolutely anything to get elected. >> well, one thing i have been saying about the campaign is the president needs surrogates out there, he needs confederates, people...
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well, if they're investing overseas, investing in offshore accounts, they shouldn't get tax breaks. they should get them for creating jobs and businesses in this country. and people would get off unemployment. >> i want to correct myself to make sure i said it correctly. the cbo is non-partisan. thank you, sir. i appreciate you joining us. >> thank you. >>> one state marking the early voting with people catching zs outside election offices. we're looking at the goals of what's called sleep out the vote. >>> and with poll after poll giving the advantage to team obama, we look at team romney's narrowing path to 270. and one of the critical states out west. bob, these projections... they're... optimistic. productivity up, costs down, time to market reduced... those are good things. upstairs, they will see fantasy. not fantasy... logistics. ups came in, analyzed our supply chain, inventory systems... ups? ups. not fantasy? who would have thought? i did. we did, bob. we did. got it. >>> now to early voting out of ohio. where the message to voters seems to be if you snooze, you won't lose
well, if they're investing overseas, investing in offshore accounts, they shouldn't get tax breaks. they should get them for creating jobs and businesses in this country. and people would get off unemployment. >> i want to correct myself to make sure i said it correctly. the cbo is non-partisan. thank you, sir. i appreciate you joining us. >> thank you. >>> one state marking the early voting with people catching zs outside election offices. we're looking at the goals of...
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who pays taxes ought to get tax relief. a of my plan is in place the wealthiest americans will pay a higher percentage of taxes than they do today and the poorest of americans, 6 million families, 7 million people won't pay any tax at all. >> notice the slight of hands. the wealthiest americans will pay a higher percentage of taxes than they do today. not a higher percentage of their income in taxes since that would be an outright lie. very common bit of conservative bit of misdirection used to hide the distributional tax cuts they're proposing. for instance, even in herman cain's explicitly progressive world of a 9/9/9 flat tax, you can imagine the wealthiest households would still pay a majority of total income tax revenue. that doesn't reflect how progressive or fair the taxation system is. it reflects just how unequal incomes are. bush did it again in the next debate too. >> my plan is that the wealthy people pay 62% of the taxes today after which they pay 64%. this is a fair plan. you know why? because the tax code is
who pays taxes ought to get tax relief. a of my plan is in place the wealthiest americans will pay a higher percentage of taxes than they do today and the poorest of americans, 6 million families, 7 million people won't pay any tax at all. >> notice the slight of hands. the wealthiest americans will pay a higher percentage of taxes than they do today. not a higher percentage of their income in taxes since that would be an outright lie. very common bit of conservative bit of misdirection...
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they are right now, and then the other night he says, well, i don't want to actually cut the actual tax rate, i want to cut rates and then i want to increase deductions and give us effectively the same amount of taxes coming into the economy which leaves him with an unutterly incoherent record. with romney you have nothing and i think the message you will start hearing next week is going back to that old mondale commercial, where is the beef, show us the beef, because there ain't none there. >> john, before we eviscerate mitt romney entirely, he hasn't jumped on the bandwagon, though he did downplay the jobless rate, and he misstated the reason behind it. take a listen to this, john. >> the reason it's come down this year is primarily due to the fact that more and more people have just stopped looking for work. >> in fact, the unemployment rate fell because more people were working. i mean, this man's not capable of telling the truth about anything. >> well, he's actually correct in some past months but not in today's job. >> but he was speaking today. >> and so what he's doing now is h
they are right now, and then the other night he says, well, i don't want to actually cut the actual tax rate, i want to cut rates and then i want to increase deductions and give us effectively the same amount of taxes coming into the economy which leaves him with an unutterly incoherent record. with romney you have nothing and i think the message you will start hearing next week is going back to that old mondale commercial, where is the beef, show us the beef, because there ain't none there....
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>> what bf his commit to not raising taxes? >> i think what's been incredible at the close of this race with 29 days to go has been the room that finally the conservative base has allowed mitt romney to spurn them in a lot of ways because they just wanted the visceral enjoyment of seeing him win a debate against the president. that's more important to them and beating barack obama in a lot of ways is more important to a lot of base than ideology. now, i can't imagine mitt romney going to that extent as matt as said and saying -- >> and doing something sensible for the government and the country. we wouldn't do that. >> but i also couldn't put anything past him at this point. >> joy reid and matt miller, thank you both. next, the president on the road again, as mitt romney campaigns right now with an aircraft carrier in the background. so who has the upper hand today? stay with us. i gave birth to my daughter on may 18th, five days later, i had a massive heart attack. bayer aspirin was the first thing the emts gave me. now, i'm
>> what bf his commit to not raising taxes? >> i think what's been incredible at the close of this race with 29 days to go has been the room that finally the conservative base has allowed mitt romney to spurn them in a lot of ways because they just wanted the visceral enjoyment of seeing him win a debate against the president. that's more important to them and beating barack obama in a lot of ways is more important to a lot of base than ideology. now, i can't imagine mitt romney...
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don't like the tax policy numbers, find your own. there is a lot of that going on. >> in fairness i think what mitt romney said is defensible in the sense that, in fact, we have seen millions of people drop out of the labor force. if they hadn't dropped out and they seem to have because -- some is anyonie i aging but a l find jobs. that's a fair thing to say. >> he's on stage alan west who on friday suggests this was part of leftist radicalism at work and part of the chicago machine manipulating labor statistics. >> indeed. then there are the crazy people. >> that speaks volumes. >> he probably didn't pick the appearance knowing what the jobs figures would be. i think it's fair to say the economy has been bachltd obama doesn't have much to do with it. th president can't do that much to control the economy. but four years ago obama got to run saying, they drove it into the ditch, i can drive it out. then it turns out he can't. now the next guy gets to say, i can drive it out. he also can't drive it out, but this is the ritual every fo
don't like the tax policy numbers, find your own. there is a lot of that going on. >> in fairness i think what mitt romney said is defensible in the sense that, in fact, we have seen millions of people drop out of the labor force. if they hadn't dropped out and they seem to have because -- some is anyonie i aging but a l find jobs. that's a fair thing to say. >> he's on stage alan west who on friday suggests this was part of leftist radicalism at work and part of the chicago machine...
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>> he said for everybody, across the board. >> on top of the bush tax cuts? >> president obama during the debate said he is the one who is going to raise taxes by letting the bush tax cuts expire. >> but we just played two things back to back that do not match. >> look, he said all look, 20% across the board. i think there were two different things he was speaking about there. he has a very pro-growth policy. he has a policy to create 12 million jobs. >> so are you saying he misspoke in one of those? >> i'm not going to get into whether he misspoke or not -- what i know is he has said all along, 20% across the board for everybody, and that means everybody. to what specifically he was speaking there, i'm not exactly sure. but it's a clear choice what you have. we don't need to get caught up on the back and forth. he is going to put forward pro-growth jobs. and 7.8% is an anemic recovery. that is nothing to celebrate. i remember when president bush was criticized by president obama when i worked for him -- >> but for the past four years, republican have said sa
>> he said for everybody, across the board. >> on top of the bush tax cuts? >> president obama during the debate said he is the one who is going to raise taxes by letting the bush tax cuts expire. >> but we just played two things back to back that do not match. >> look, he said all look, 20% across the board. i think there were two different things he was speaking about there. he has a very pro-growth policy. he has a policy to create 12 million jobs. >> so...
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. >> lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works. and you can -- >> but i have to -- you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. let me say it this way, you can lower tax rates by 20% across the board, by closing loopholes and still have preferences for the middle class for things like charitable deductions for home purchases, for health care. >> where is the math? and is mitt romney going to be under pressure in this debate to produce the specifics as to how it will all add up? >> well, andrea, first that's a laughable question. where's the president's plan? he's had four years, 23 million people don't have work. so let's start with that. >> the question was asked by -- the question was asked by chris wallace on fox, being asked by other republicans, where is the math, how do you add up those tax cuts, even eliminating some deductions, which deductions would you eliminate, let's be specific and how will you do that and reach deficit reduction, which programs wil
. >> lowering tax rates by broadening the tax base works. and you can -- >> but i have to -- you haven't given me the math. >> i don't have the time -- it would take me too long to go through all of the math. let me say it this way, you can lower tax rates by 20% across the board, by closing loopholes and still have preferences for the middle class for things like charitable deductions for home purchases, for health care. >> where is the math? and is mitt romney going to...
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taxes for a typical middle-income family making $40,000 to $64,000 a year could go up by $2,000. >>> and california governor jerry brown signed a bill that would allow 500,000 young illegal immigrants who qualify for the new federal work permit program to obtain driver's licenses. >>> near hong kong, at least 36 people were killed when a boat filled with holiday partygoers collided with a ferry and sank. it is the deadliest accident there in years. >>> a house in oregon that was sold this summer turns out to have been a meth lab. and there are toxic chemicals there. contamination, 80 times the state limit. the family that bought the foreclosed home as is from the government got sick and now has few options. >>> and the white house is lit up in pink to mark october as breast cancer awareness month. new york's empire state building is also bathed in pink, and even buckingham palace in london got in on the action. they are going pink to support the breast cancer awareness campaign. >>> well, now here's your first look at this morning's dish of "scrambled politics." a company paid by the
taxes for a typical middle-income family making $40,000 to $64,000 a year could go up by $2,000. >>> and california governor jerry brown signed a bill that would allow 500,000 young illegal immigrants who qualify for the new federal work permit program to obtain driver's licenses. >>> near hong kong, at least 36 people were killed when a boat filled with holiday partygoers collided with a ferry and sank. it is the deadliest accident there in years. >>> a house in...
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if people want those tax cuts, they're looking for him. who won't cut education, who insists his health care plan covers people with pre-existing comment. the same guy who said his 47% comments were wrong. >>> also, we're beginning to the learn more about the flawed strategy that led president obama to lay a debate egg wednesday night. best not happen again. >>> we mentioned the unemployment number dropped sharply. >>> finally, let me finish with 7.8% jobless number, what it means, and why some people don't like looking at it. this is "hardball," the place for politics. >> after losing about 800,000 jobs a month when i took office, our businesses have now added 5.2 million new jobs over the past 2 1/2 years. this morning we found out that the unemployment rate has fallen to its lowest level since i took office. more americans entered the workforce, more people are getting jobs. today's news certainly is not an excuse to try to talk down the economy to the score a few political points. it's a reminder that this country has come too far to t
if people want those tax cuts, they're looking for him. who won't cut education, who insists his health care plan covers people with pre-existing comment. the same guy who said his 47% comments were wrong. >>> also, we're beginning to the learn more about the flawed strategy that led president obama to lay a debate egg wednesday night. best not happen again. >>> we mentioned the unemployment number dropped sharply. >>> finally, let me finish with 7.8% jobless number,...
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when you compare the top marginal income tax rate, the tax rate that top earners get taxed over the highest threshold with employment, growth happens when taxes are higher, not lower. let me show you a chart that the president could have used this week to simplify the whole debate. this is what the election boils down to right here. larry bartels' chart makes it clear, under democratic presidents, everyone does better, even the very top. talk about trickle-down big government but more importantly, americans are ready to move on, even before the good news job numbers were released, an nbc/"wall street journal" survey showed that 44% of americans believe the economy will improve in the next year and four in ten say the country is headed in the right direction, the highest percentage on this question since june of 2009. here with me is cnbc contributor, dan dicker, a 25-year trading veteran of the new york mercantile exchange, civil right attorney mya wiley. attorney raul ruiz and a contributor to "the nation" magazine. thank you for being here. let me ask a question, does 7.8% wipe away wedne
when you compare the top marginal income tax rate, the tax rate that top earners get taxed over the highest threshold with employment, growth happens when taxes are higher, not lower. let me show you a chart that the president could have used this week to simplify the whole debate. this is what the election boils down to right here. larry bartels' chart makes it clear, under democratic presidents, everyone does better, even the very top. talk about trickle-down big government but more...
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we've seen you move to the middle on taxes saying, okay, i'm not going to cut taxes in a way that's going to raise the deficit. that's my rule. it's a hard, fast rule. he moved to the center on bipartisanship, on israel. i guess the question is, does that make him a more electable? i think it does. or does that make him the etch-a-sketch candidate? what's your read? >> well, i think that in addition to ann romney and his sons, i think there is an extended romney family within the campaign. people who have been with him throughout his career in politics. dating back to when he was governor of massachusetts. and i think they have been clambering for mitt romney to be more mitt romney than this right-wing creation we saw during the primaries, and i think they probably had a family conference at which point they thought, let's stop, you know, you pretending to be someone you're not. you've been doing it for two years, you get the nomination. let's be mitt romney. does it make him more electable? absolutely. >> andrea, i know you will remember this because you were covering it. but i go back t
we've seen you move to the middle on taxes saying, okay, i'm not going to cut taxes in a way that's going to raise the deficit. that's my rule. it's a hard, fast rule. he moved to the center on bipartisanship, on israel. i guess the question is, does that make him a more electable? i think it does. or does that make him the etch-a-sketch candidate? what's your read? >> well, i think that in addition to ann romney and his sons, i think there is an extended romney family within the...
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was being interviewed in detroit when he objected to the reporter's question about gun violence and taxes. and then the interview came to an abrupt end. take a look. >> those are yours, not mine. >> thank you very much, sir. >> that was kind of strange. stuff words in people's mouth? >> he said he responded as anyone would in such a strange situation. also in michigan, paul ryan and kid rock got a loud welcome from thousands at oakland university. kid rock urged everyone to vote and ryan said the gop ticket would win in michigan. clueless actress stacy dash sent a tweet of herself with an american flag endorsing mitt romney as the only choice for the future. well that prompted a twitter explosion criticizing a black woman's support for mitt romney. >> and mr. romney may be worried about questions from children about his plans to cut funding for big bird and sesame street. the republican candidate has decided to skip nickelodeon's the kids pick the president special. the producer says that decision dissed children. president obama will be talking directly to the kids for the special. and t
was being interviewed in detroit when he objected to the reporter's question about gun violence and taxes. and then the interview came to an abrupt end. take a look. >> those are yours, not mine. >> thank you very much, sir. >> that was kind of strange. stuff words in people's mouth? >> he said he responded as anyone would in such a strange situation. also in michigan, paul ryan and kid rock got a loud welcome from thousands at oakland university. kid rock urged everyone...
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. >>> paul ryan told fox news he and mitt romney want a 20% cut in all income tax rates but ryan failed to provide details. >>> the associated press says if the election were held today, mitt romney would win 23 states, president obama would win the rest capturing 271 electoral votes. >>> hugo chavez, the president of venezuela is facing re-election with voting to be held next sunday, october 7th. chavez told an interviewer that if he were an american, he would vote for president obama over mitt romney. >>> music magazine has ranked the ten best presidents since 1900. franklin d. roosevelt, president during the depression and world war ii was ranked number one. number ten was barack obama. >>> and as the supreme court starts its fall term, justice ruth bader ginsbebegin ginsburg oldest on the supreme court. you probably did not know gin gingsburg and scalia spend every new years with reach over's family welcoming in the new year. >>> and now here's a look at how wall street will kick off the day. the dow closed at 13,437. the s&p lost six. the nasdaq was down 20. taking a look at overse
. >>> paul ryan told fox news he and mitt romney want a 20% cut in all income tax rates but ryan failed to provide details. >>> the associated press says if the election were held today, mitt romney would win 23 states, president obama would win the rest capturing 271 electoral votes. >>> hugo chavez, the president of venezuela is facing re-election with voting to be held next sunday, october 7th. chavez told an interviewer that if he were an american, he would vote...